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Il Navigatore dell Infinito's avatar

The distinction between agentic and non-agentic archetypes is elegant and addresses a real problem in idealist frameworks. If everything is mind, why doesn't everything collapse the wave function?

One question the framework raises for me: if agentic archetypes collapse superpositions through volitional acts, we still need to explain what determines which outcome they select. The collapse is attributed to consciousness, but the selection mechanism remains open.

An alternative framing: what if consciousness doesn't collapse anything? If the underlying structure is already complete and atemporal, containing all outcomes simultaneously, the agentic archetype doesn't select an outcome. It finds itself correlated with a branch that was always already definite.

The chair's archetype and the mind's archetype would then differ not in their power to collapse, but in their capacity to have a perspective at all. Non-agentic archetypes have no vantage point. Agentic ones do. And it's the vantage point, not the collapse, that makes the difference.

Marco Masi's avatar

Well, I'm in a quantum superposition of agreement and disagreement. ;)

On the one hand, the metamind approach resonates with me. It is actually similar to my approach of universal consciousness manifested as a universal quantum field.

On the other hand, as you know, I don't agree with the idea that QM compels us to embrace the von Neumann–Wigner interpretation as a solution to the measurement problem, which ultimately leads to scarcely credible forms of idealism where we must believe the whole universe was in superposition and suddenly came into existence only once there was a conscious observer looking at it. Frankly, it makes no sense to me. My standpoint is that the metamind alone does all the heavy lifting, also in and through our individual minds and brains. This perspective doesn't require reality to collapse into existence only once one of us brings it about. Moreover, I would refine your theory by explaining more clearly how a conscious collapse could circumvent the objection that we should observe statistical deviations from the predictions of QM beyond the so-called "psi experiments". In my theory this is not necessary in the first place: one can have agency in the world with agential collapse but without postulating violations of the statistics predicted by the Schrödinger equation plus the Born rule, or invoking violations of energy conservation. Furthermore, the distinction between "physical" and "unphysical" is not clear. Saying that the physical is "unreal" and only the mental is "real" merely shifts the question from "un/physicality" to "un/reality" without really solving it. These are the points I expect referees to raise.

In any event, I'm fully on board with the archetypal understanding of reality and the metamind–QM connections. I think we are both, together with others, working towards something that is laying the groundwork for a paradigm shift in our scientific understanding of reality.

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